Harry Potter vs Twilight Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before te go harping on my articolo because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella cigno being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell te a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named Anastasia B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the clarinetto well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella cigno seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her Friends left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: Anastasia is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella cigno was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank te for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

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Why I dislike the Twilight trio

posted by RavenclawRocks

First of all, this is MY opinion. If te don't agree, that's fine. If te do, well great! So here I go.

Bella is a shallow bitch. Why? Well, Edward looks at Bella and thinks "she smells nice" Bella looks at Edward and thinks "OMG He's so hot!" So they're in love. Sorry, I mean they are in lust. It's not love! It's just they enjoy being in love. Bella would data Santa Clause if he was hot!
And then there's the fact when Edward leaves Bella, she goes straight for Jacob who is the secondo hottest guy in town after moping for four fricken months! I mean moping for 4 weeks is ok. But 4 months...
And...

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13 Ways to use Harry Potter to Annoy aTwilight fan

posted by KateKicksAss

Credit for the first 11 goes to mugglenet.com

11 Ways to Use Harry Potter to Annoy a Twilight Fan
Guaranteed to start a shouting match of fantastic proportions...

1. Steal their copy of Twilight and replace it with one of your Harry Potter libri in a Twilight dust jacket.

2. Tell them that Edward is a "hand-me-down" because the Twilight Film got him after the Harry Potter Film were finished with him.

3. lista other "hand-me-downs" from the books, like the last names of Black and Clearwater...

4. State that te think Edward would be hotter if he had a lightning scar on his forehead.

5. "Accidentally"...

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Anti-Twi? Anti-Potter?

posted by teamsalvatore98

Hello, everyone. It's me, teamsalvatore. (Salvy)

So this club is Potter vs. Twilight, Rowling vs. Meyer, Wizards vs. Vampires. I, personally, my opinion, think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. BUT I think that there are some redundant things in Twilight. And remember, these are ust my opinions:

-Bella's weakness; She's helpless, and turning girls everywhere into weak, spineless idiots. She's making girls everywhere think they need a guy like Edward to protect them.
-Edward's obvious self-hate; He's a non-cutting emo, for crying out loud! A wannabe! We get it, Eddy, te don't like yourself....

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Response to 100 Reasons why Twilight is better then Harry Potter part 2

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hers ther link

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51. Your reason made no sense at all, I think te probably tried to say that it isnt that good

52. This is not a reason, this is just a bunch of harry potter people having dialouge

53. This person is not really saying anything except that they shouldn't be compared and the person just likes the book but she doesnt think that harry potter is better

54. They just dissed twilight and they don't think that harry potter is better

55. Ilike 5 different guys at the same time too: fred, lupin, harry, ron, arthur
anyways just b/c u lik the guys doesnt make it beter, wat do u mean fall in...

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Yet another Harry Potter vs. Twilight dibattito

posted by slytherinangel

Okay. I know what te are all thinking. Oh no not another Harry Potter vs. Twilight articolo but yes I am making one because I can. I just want my opinion to be heard. So first off let me lista the reasons why children, teens and adults can Amore Harry Potter and the good messages that Harry Potter gets across. Harry Potter first of all teaches people about the very special bond between people called friendship. Harry, Hermione and Ron are a perfect example of friendship. They are all with Harry until the very end like they promised. They risk their lives for each other and even though they fight,...

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It's Lust, not Amore

posted by TeamSiriusBlack

Ok, well I’m getting pretty tired of people saying that Bella and Edward’s relationship is love. It’s not. It’s just lust. Let’s look at the clues:
-She sees him and thinks he’s gorgeous.
-He likes her smell.
-He’s a vampire.
Now, before I start Scrivere about these points, I would like to compare the relationship to that of Snape and Lily. Yes, they have never gone out but they didn’t need to. Snape met Lily when they were little. He probably thought she was pretty and developed a crush on her which bloomed into love. When Snape found...

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Twilight Errors

posted by Sophia21

Realised the points have little to do with plot, thus changed the titolo to errors.

My apologise to Twilight fan if I'm a little too harsh, but I have reread the libri like twice this mese and it was a little exasperating. Not to worry, I'm currently rereading Harry Potter, so a plothole lista on it will be added soon =)

Ok, let's get started:

1.A hundred years of...nothingness?
Explanation: I don't expect science fiction libri to be scientifically accurate. But if te plan your main character to live 100 years studying in prep forever at the age of 17, make the whole book plausible. No, just saying...