Well... all of them HAVE been, except Ariel. ALL of them have been in my top half/bottom half of the list at one point or another. However, I have a general idea now of who's in the top and bottom, except Merida. I have different feelings about her everytime I watch the movie. In general it's hard for me to order the bottom half of my list.

But it goes something like: Ariel, Belle, Mulan, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Snow White, Cinderella, Tiana, Rapunzel, Anna, Aurora, Elsa. ..... I just don't know where to put Merida.

Her, Tiana, or Ariel. The three of them can never find a spot on my DP list too easily.

Cinderella and Jasmine always fight of the 2nd and 3rd Spot on my Favorite Princess List.

Mulan or Belle because they are always tied for me.

Sometimes I love her, sometimes I dislike her.

Also Elsa and Merida and Tiana

Even though I love her, I can't decide where to place her, sometimes I find her boring, other times I adore her, right now she's my 10th favorite, but it can change anytime

Merida, Tiana, and Elsa. I've been caught between hate and love. Luckily, in Merida's case, the love won out after she admitted her mistake ( after a third re-watch), and she went toward the top of the list. In Tiana's case she was a meh/neutral ( but after a rewatch I decided that I really didn't like her snippy remarks to the people who tried to help her along her journey to her dream), so I ditched her, and she's toward the bottom. In Elsa's case, during the love/hate war in my brain, Elsa did not do enough in her movie to save herself or others, (nor did she ever admit to needing help), so she ended up really, really low.

When did Tiana make snippy remarks to people who tried to help?

I'm so conflicted! Seriously I love Poca, but her inaccuracies as well as some boring parts really make her fall flat. I hate to lover her. :3 She's 5th, 8th and last place all at the same time.


Iwasneverhere: I don't think Tiana made any snippy remarks. Also it's hard for Elsa to say it, just like a certain little mermaid I heard you love... ;)

@ Princesslullaby: Naveen is a cad. I'll not mince words about him. However, Tiana spends most of the movie telling him how unfit he is as a person. Tiana attacks him for his background ( a prince waited upon hand-and-foot), and for his skill-set ( You're not able to cook? You can only dance, and play music? Then you're a lesser person. I work hard all of the time, and I know what's what). This was a jaw-dropper for me. I mean, basically Tiana belittled Naveen for close to an hour and a half of the movie. That got old.

At least, Naveen learned to mince mushrooms, but still.... Tiana wasn't very tactful in her approach. You don't lay open all of someone's flaws, even if you aren't able to achieve your own dream right away. Tiana does. So she is tactless.

Then there was the snippy remark she made to Ray the firefly about Evangeline. Tiana tsked at him for being unrealistic, and "being in love with a star." Tiana's dream looked pretty darn unrealistic, too, AT THAT POINT. She should have shut her mouth.

Other observation ( Towards the end, Tiana's SUDDEN LOVE for Naveen, and her giving up her dream of the restaurant, after she wanted it SO BADLY--- seemed fishy. The sudden switch was basically a Disney wrap up plot point---- with no plausibility to me ( the same with Kristoff and Anna). I believed Tiana wanted her restaurant. Disney got that through to me. I didn't believe she really loved Naveen, and I still don't. But that's because the movie itself spent most of the time describing how Tiana was CLEARLY NOT attached to Naveen at all).

So..erm...those were my issues with TPATF.

@iwasneverhere. I agree about that. That's why I can never get crazy about her. But I so admire her determination in the face of racism, and I really love her in the beginning of the film, it's just when she turns into a frog, not right away, but sometime after I become less enchanted with her. And don't forget how Naveen acted like SHE was lesser than HIM ("..and this is Tiana, the waitress.") and also acted like she should serve him (by the way, I ADORE naveen). Tiana mostly insulted him as rebuttal.

Well the whole reason Tiana made that comment to Ray was BECAUSE her dream felt so unrealistic. She was upset.
I don't hold Tiana giving up her dream completely against her because it just SCREAMS disney's shitty writing.
PATF is, by far, my least favorite princess movie. But one thing that really gets me about Tiana is the scene where she won't lower the vine for Naveen when the gators are coming after him. I know he had been a jerk, but that's no reason to literally LET HIM DIE.!!!

@BelleRose: I'm getting off of Fanpop really soon. But to just follow up on your question...Actually, Ariel does ask for help from Ursula. Does she not swim off with Flotsom and Jetsam? Ursula says, "Now you're here because you've got a thing for this human...This prince fellow? Not that I blame you. He's quite the catch. And I can help you. I can make you a human."

*Gasp from ariel* "You...can do that?" Followed by a really wide-eyed and disbelieving look from Ariel

"Yes...My dear. It's what I live for--- to help unfortunate merfolk, like yourself. Poor unfortunate souls with no one else to turn to." Ariel looks increasingly bewildered and doubtful, so Ursula has to launch into a whole song about it, to convince her.

My point is, Ariel went looking for help, and she didn't really think Ursula could help her in the beginning--- because those eels certainly didn't look like they told the truth. Ursula has to drum up Ariel's desire to be a human, showing her Eric's face again, and SELLING her a bill of goods.

Ariel did go for help, when Triton destroyed her collection. She just got craftily coerced into a bait-and-switch move from Ursula.

Elsa does not admit she needs help from Anna. She stares in disbelief at Olaf, something she created that's now alive-- ( an apparent symbol of her ties to her sister and to forming lasting relationships in general)--- and she says, "He talks? That's...interesting. Get him out of here, and let me be." During FTFTIF reprise, she basically sings about how her powers are building, and how she can't and won't go back to having a relationship with Anna-- for fear of hurting her. Elsa says she is fine where she is, and doesn't want company, ( which would mean help). When Anna continues pleading with her, Elsa loses her temper and freezes Anna's heart ( cue Frozen heart theme). Then, to add on, Elsa sends a huge snowmageddon creature after her sister to drive the point home. At least, Ariel sought out help, even if it was clearly the wrong kind. Elsa seemed to believe she was far enough away and didn't need any help. And that's where I saw the difference between Ariel and Elsa.

@Princesslullaby: It's not just the gators/vine scene, though!!!! In the scene where Dr. Facilier decides to take Naveen away and kill him---Tiana actually HESITATES AGAIN to save him!! Facilier copies an Ursula move, and baits Tiana by showing her her restaurant! Tiana takes the longest time to say-- no!! That scene convinced me. Tiana does not love Naveen. Period. But that's only my opinion. I know I'm in the minority.

@iwasneverhere--- which scene are you talking about? can you be more specific?

i mean, i believe all the disney couples love each other, only because disney made it so. except mulan/shang.

And yes, Pocahontas is difficult because she's so awesome in the first half of the movie but not so great in the second half. That's why I keep her comfortably @ #5. (she could move to #6, depending on my placement of Merida).

I want her to be in my top 5, but I can't put her there..

She's kind of atypical for a Disney Princess... she isn't a full-fledged character like the others, and it makes her hard to place in comparison with them.

She moved up, she moved down, and so on until she became my favorite princess a few months ago.

@PrincessLullaby: About fifteen minutes from the end, Facilier captures Naveen for the second time--- to complete the full blood draw, so Naveen's usurping manservant can remain in his princely form for Charlotte --- and that's when Tiana follows Facilier and tells him to stop. Facilier has his own plans ( and debts from the other side that must be paid), so he provides Tiana with the illusion of getting her restaurant-- free and clear--- and given by Facilier, if she will just let him have Naveen. Tiana takes FOREVER to decide not to let that happen. It's a whole 45 seconds in Disney time. And the reason I bring it up, is the size of Tiana's eyes and her gleeful expression for the first half of that illusion--- followed by a morose look. And even with the sad look, it takes Tiana a long time to say,"No. No, I'll take Naveen. And it's mucous!" Gee, if I had fallen for the guy, and actually cared about him--- I would try to help him sooner, and not get hung up by my wants. It's a matter of priorities, as it were. Which is the more serious problem? Let's do that FIRST. My dreams can be a teensy bit delayed, for the good of someone I care about. But Tiana doesn't really...reeallly love Naveen... so it really is a debate for her. And I lost some respect for her in that moment.

The romance in Mulan wasn't really explored, so it was mostly the hint of a "crush" going on between Mulan and Shang. The sequel explores their feelings for each other, better.

Pocahontas is also number 5 on my list, too. It's because ( while I love the music, visuals, and plot-line), Poca isn't as take charge as Merida, Rapunzel, Ariel, and Mulan. Plus, the ending of Poca's movie is a bit of a let-down *to phrase it gently*.

She's just, kind of stuck. I want to move her higher, but I just can't. Also, is this a debate or just a Q and A?

^^It's not a true debate, honey. I was just sharing my thoughts, because I got asked by PrincessLullaby.

^That's what I was trying to ask sweetie.

@iwasneverhere During that scene she isn't happy she smiles when she thinks she sees Naveen then she frowns, that when the Shadow Man starts making her feel bad about her dad and the people that said she'd never get there. She never smiles, she absorbs everything he is saying and naturally seeing as that's her FATHER who she also loves probably more than Naveen, she gets wrapped into it, then she snaps back into reality to remember what her mom told her, her dad had what he needed and she didn't loose sight of what was important. Hate to keep on bringing up your favorite fish, but Ariel also delays in her pursuit to sign Ursula's deal, because she doesn't hate her family and she's not sure of what to do, does she really love Eric enough to sign her life away? That's about the same thought process Tiana was going through. Does she really love Naveen enough to completely get rid of her dream. How come Ariel can make a deal with the villain, but when Tiana does it, she's a terrible person for caring about her dream so much? And in the end Tiana choses Naveen, where as Ariel chose her dream.


No offense or anything, but it think you're holding a slight double standard. I can't defend her else where, because frankly you're right, but you forget the emotions Tiana was going through, heartbreak, confusion, desperation and want- a want for her dream. Even when she snaps at ray for being ridiculous, Ray says himself "She's just speaking out a broken heart, come on Evangeline we gon' show sher the truth. Even in real life people will lash out at you, because they're going through problems themselves, but before she's very persistent to not crush Ray's dream, she pretends like Evangeline's real.

Just pointing that out, healthy debate you know.

^^ I do get what you're saying. I would say Tiana and Ariel are similar---BUT Tiana DOESN'T make a deal with the villain. She's shown her dream by the villain, and given a choice. Tiana actually opts out. Ariel strikes a deal and actually forks over something valuable ( her voice). Tiana doesn't fork over anything to Facilier. True, they are two girls with some of the same themes... going on, but the main plot in TPATF is more about Naveen's mishap with Facilier--- and is only tangentially about Tiana and her restaurant. Tiana really doesn't have a dog to fight over when it comes to Facilier's offer. And that is why Tiana really has to consider the offer.... It wasn't like she wanted Naveen, anyway. Tiana already doesn't have her dream, yet. It's not like Tiana thinks Facilier will help her. Naveen is another, separate person with issues of his own. Yes, finally Tiana remembers what her father said about relationships mattering more than achievements. But Tiana has left Naveen in the lurch before. So, I wasn't really pleased that she delayed in saving Naveen-- and almost let him be lost, again.

As for miss fishy, Ariel doesn't just choose her dream. Ariel may delay in forking over her voice ( after much prompting by Ursula), but Ariel does not delay when Ursula turns her father into a polyp. She's already wrestling with Ursula BEFORE Eric shows up again. So, yes, Ariel is more reckless than Tiana--- but Ariel clearly knows more about respecting relationships, and seeks to preserve existing relationships. Even while a human, she does not ignore Flounder, Sebastian, or Scuttle, but motions to them, and listens to what they have to say. Ariel wants to have a relationship with her father, which is why she is trying to save Triton's life, after she realizes that Ursula tricked him, too! ( Tricked him into giving up his trident, lol). Even if Ariel craved developing new human relationships ( Eric), she did not let go of her existing friends and family.

As for Tiana, she also has lots of relationships ( with Charlotte, her mother, her father, the people in her neighborhood, the people/customers at her workplaces, Louis, Ray, Naveen, etc), which I felt she ignored for a lot of the movie, until she remembers her father.... Ariel may be trying out as a human, but she never forgets to acknowledge who her true friends are, and she remembers her family, and fights for them-- not just for her own dream. Tiana momentarily forgets her roots and the relationships she's cultivated, while in the pursuit of her own dream. It takes a long time for her to remember. I feel iffy about that.

It's okay. My reasoning is sometimes not always what people expect. It's not so much a double standard, that I can tell. I am always seeing characters who need to make changes; some do change right away after seeing their mistakes--- and some don't change right away. And it's not just the DPs; it's also their parents, their princes, and others.

Yeah. This was a dialogue, not a full-on debate. But I understand why some people prefer Tiana, even if I really don't. Peace in the valley.

@iwasneverhere--- actually, in that scene, Naveen is NOT captured by Facilier, I think you're confusing scenes. At that point, Tiana still thinks Naveen is human and up on the float, remember? That's why she snaps at Ray. She doesn't know that he's in a box on the float, and even then he has escaped anyway. At that point she just knows she needs to break the necklace. But regardless, Naveen is NOT in any danger at that point, at least to Tiana's knowledge.

^^Naveen doesn't turn human until he and Tiana kiss in front of Mama Odie in the swamp. Naveen is a frog all the way up until that moment. I remember that in the float scene with Lottie, it was Naveen's servant disguised as Naveen. Facilier had captured the real Naveen. I'm pretty sure the true Naveen is a frog when Facilier captured him and confronts Tiana in the graveyard. He wants the talisman that Ray gave to Tiana, and provides her with the restaurant illusion and the promises. Tiana opts out, and breaks the talisman. Facilier then reveals that he HAD -- in fact--- captured Naveen. Then Tiana rushes to the float and Charlotte, etc., and since Facilier is dead, the real Naveen ( still a frog), is talking to Charlotte.

I don't think Tiana was in love with Naveen. I do think she was impressed that he was going to propose to her. But so much of TPATF was rushed, I never got the real impression that Tiana was fully in love. It was just a moderate "like." That was also my reasoning for why she would even allow/volunteer to let Naveen be kissed by her best friend. Someone who is really attached would be very, very jealous/angry. What I don't get, is why Tiana was so angry when she saw the fake Naveen kissing Lottie, and then she's not upset with the real Naveen kissing Lottie? Tiana wanted to be human again, just like Naveen did. So it was all desperation, I guess, from her end. Motives in PATF are really confusing to me, just like those in Frozen.

Just because of the historical inaccuracies. It's hard for me to get past those. Although currently I'm having trouble placing Mulan.

I used to love her. Now I want to like her but she is just annoying. I'm not sure if I should move her higher on my list.

@iwasneverhere, that's all correct, except naveen isn't IN that scene. tiana doesnt KNOW that naveen is still in frog form, she still thinks he's human and on the float. i think you need to rewatch the movie. here's the scene:
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naveen is entirely omitted from tiana's confrontation with facilier.

@Iwasneverthere Tiana saw Lawrence as Naveen on the float and thought it was the real Naveen. So she thought he was fine and that he had left he. Which is also why she said those hurtful things to ray.

Ariel, Cinderella, and Pocahontas tbh.