Harry Potter vs Twilight Club
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Warning: This is quite long.

Before I begin, I would like to say that this is my personal opinion along with evidence to support my opinion. te are free to disagree with me, but please, no hating. Also, please do not accuse me of not Leggere the books. I have read each of the novels in the Twilight "Saga", from Twilight to Breaking Dawn. I have also read all of the Harry Potter libri (numerous times), from Philosophers Stone to Deathly Hallows.

It annoys me enormously, hearing people say that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. I personally believe that Harry Potter overshadows Twilight in every area, in every way, shape and form. I look at reasons why Twilighters think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter, and here is what I see:

-Because Edward is so hot! Harry is ugly!
-Twilight is più realistic!
-Twilight has più love!

I do not think that a book is amazing just because a character is gorgeous. In fact, I think that the fact that all the good guys are beautiful in Twilight is really arrogant and reflects very poor things about Stephenie Meyer. In Harry Potter, te have some good guys that are beautiful and others that are not so nice looking. For example, Luna Lovegood and Cedric Diggory are supposed to be very pleasant to look at, but characters such as Mad-Eye Moody are... not so nice looking. Yet Mad-Eye is still, undoubtably, a very good character.

Twilight is da no means più realistic than Harry Potter. Yes, I know, Harry Potter has magic, Twilight takes place in a real setting. First thing: the "logic" in Twilight is embarrasing. It is clear that Meyer did as little research as possible, not really thinking things through before deciding what happens. Harry Potter, on the other hand, does not need logic. It's magic! Secondly, the characters of Harry Potter are a lot più realistic that those of Twilight. Besides being well developed, the characters of Harry Potter are not passing for "perfect". Each one has flaws and strengths, and each reacts appropriately for different situations. Twilight, on the other hand, is extremely unrealistic when it comes to character reactions. For example, Bella is one of the least likable characters of all time (I will get to her later on, though), yet everyone seems to Amore and ADORE her. In fact, anybody who does not Amore her either changes their mind later on o is viewed as a bad guy, a bitch, o extraordinarily shallow. Also, did te notice that in Forks High School, there are only two cliques? The popolare Folks and The Vampires? Not to mention, the two groups merge into one in the end. At Hogwarts, te have Gryffindors, Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws, Slytherins, Quidditch Players, Pranksters, Extreme Studiers, Dumbledore's Army, fan Girls, Rich Folk, Death Eaters To Be, Bullies, Outcasts, the lista goes on.

Another thing: Twilight does not have love. Bella does not Amore Edward. She would never have even looked twice at him if he weren't oh so gorgeous. It is pure lust. Same goes for Edward. If she didn't smell so wonderful, do te think he would have cared? If he could read her thoughts, he would be repulsed. As for the whole Imprinting thing? It is an excuse, an easy way out, a way for Meyer to make Jacob fall in "love" with Renesmee without looking like a pedophile. In Harry Potter, there are all different types of love. There is romantic Amore (Ron and Hermione are the cutest couple on the face of the earth! And there's failed relationships, look at Harry and Cho. Haha), Amore of Friends (Harry would die for his friends, and they would do the same for him), unrequited Amore (if te weren't touched da Snape's story, te must be heartless!), motherly Amore (Lily dying to save Harry, Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix for her Amore of Fred and Ginny), and all sorts of things. If te want to talk romance, though, let me tell you; Ron and Hermione fell in Amore slowly through the years. They didn't know each other for, what, one week? then say "Oh, I am eternally in Amore with you! te are my one true love!" They are in love, not overpowered lust.

Let's talk about Bella, now shall we? She is the definiiton of a Mary Sue. Self insert is evident to an extreme, and she is supposedly "flawless". All of the characters Amore her, despite all the horrible things she does to them. I mean, how can Jacob still like her after all the things she's done to that poor guy? She is also a slut. She goes off and kisses a guy who isn't her boyfriend, leading him on every other page, then doesn't hesitate to dump him and break his heart, even though she "cares" so much about him. She abuses all of her friends. Can te really blame Jessica for not wanting to be Friends with Bella anymore? She saw that Bella just uses her Friends when it benefits her, then dumps them like trash, not caring one bit about them o any of their problems o anything, and still has the nerve to expect them to remain loyal to her, and if they don't, they are "bad friends". Abusive, much? She is also extremely selfish and unbelievably whiny. She complains about how "horrible" her life is, when really, she is just extremely ungrateful. All she does is whine, that is, when she isn't rambling endlessly about how pretty her boyfriend is.

Now I want to talk about Edward. People say they Amore him so much, but let me ask te this: how many fan would still Amore him this much if he were ugly? I would say, oh, maybe .001% at best? Of course, Bella wouldn't even spare a secondo glance at him if he weren't supermodel gorgeous, so there would be no story, but that is beside the point. Edward is also abusive. I know, he's never hit her. I mean he is emotionally abusive. He toys with her emotions to get his way. He dominates her, controlling who she can and cannot see, what she can and cannot do, where she can and cannot go. He is also a stalker. He follows her around and breaks into her house at night to watch her sleep. That is just creepy. Of course, he is hot, so that must mean he's in Amore with her, right? Um, not so much.

Let's get Harry Potter back into this. I would like to point out that Harry Potter, unlike Twilight, actually has a plot. It lasts through all the books, the main theme being to defeat Voldemort and his followers, with subplots in each book. In fact, there are sub-subplots, even sub-sub-subplots. There are details that seem minor o irrelevant that all turn out to be of extreme importance in the end. Twilight? What is the main plot of the first book? Talking about how beautiful your boyfriend is is NOT a plot. The whole thing with James and his "dangerous" clan seems to be più of an "oh, whoops! I forgot to add a plot! Let's just throw this thing in quickly, and we'll call it a plot." Very quick and lazy, with little detail and a resolution that comes far too easily. secondo book? She sulks around for the majority of the book, and the plot seems, once again, to be a forgotten thing thrown in quickly. In Eclipse, te could argue that there is a plot. Victoria wants revenge on Bella and Edward. The problem is, the plot goes nowhere until the very end, where it is, once again, resolved way too easily. The Cullens went into their big fight knowing they would all come out alive and well, and that is exactly what happened. No risks, no sacrifice. In Breaking Dawn, there were two different plots. The first was having the baby, Renesmee, who shouldn't have existed in the first place. The successivo plot is extremely disappointing. They build up to the huge climax, and what happens? Their ultimate battle ends in conversation. The Cullens don't give up anything, and it's way too much of a happily ever after. Pretty pathetic, if te ask me.

Let's address the anti-feminism of Twilight. It is extremely anti-feminist. Bella can't do ANYTHING for herself, and she always need Edward o Jacob coming to the rescue. Edward and Jacob are both extremely strong and fast so they can control her. Why are the female Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. unable to have babies, while male Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. can if they mate with a human? Besides being illogical, it's anti-feminist. Even Alice, who's supposed to be a good fighter, depends completely on her abilities. If they are taken away, she has nothing. The male vampires, however, can still fight without their powers. Also, she goes into super-depressed mode when her boyfriend dumps her. That's understandable. But how long does she stay there? Over four months. That is ridiculous. And the only thing to raise her out of her depression is having another guy obsessing over her. What is this constant need for a man in her life? Even on her free time, what does she do? She happily cooks and cleans for her father, who sits on the divano watching football, drinking beer, cleaning his gun. How is this not anti-feminist? In Harry Potter, however, Hermione is very capable, and Harry and Ron would not have made it to the end of the series if it weren't for her. They depend on her just as much as she depends on them. Ginny is also a very capable girl. She can fight for herself, she doesn't need a man constantly looking after her. In fact, all the Harry Potter females are just as capable as the males are. Also, when Ron leaves Hermione in Deathly Hallows, she becomes very upset, but she moves on. She never really gets over it, but she moves on with her life. She realizes it is not the end of the world, and if she hadn't gotten her act together, Voldemort may not have been defeated. When Harry leaves Ginny, she is upset, but doesn't go suicidal about it. She moves on, she continues to treat her Friends right, she moves on.

One final note now. I want to go over messages. In Twilight, there are no good messages. If there are, please name one and then use evidence! Do not just make claims. But as of this point, I have not found one single good message of Twilight. And no, "stalking is hot" does NOT count as a good message, and neither does "if te do not have a man in your life, there is not point in living". "Pedophilia is okay as long as te have an excuse" doesn't count either. In Harry Potter, there are good messages weaved in all over the place. There are messages about what fear can do to people, how fear can easily turn into hatred o ignorance. There are messages about how Amore is the most powerful thing in the world. There are messages about friendship, about life, about death, about working hard, about greed, about loss, and especially about growing up.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired now. I think I've made my point. Remember, this is just my opinion. I backed up my opinion with evidence so that it could become a strong argument, and anyone is free to disagree. Just no hating please. HARRY POTTER RULES!!!!!!!! XD
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posted by RavenclawRocks
First of all, this is MY opinion. If te don't agree, that's fine. If te do, well great! So here I go.

Bella is a shallow bitch. Why? Well, Edward looks at Bella and thinks "she smells nice" Bella looks at Edward and thinks "OMG He's so hot!" So they're in love. Sorry, I mean they are in lust. It's not love! It's just they enjoy being in love. Bella would data Santa Clause if he was hot!
And then there's the fact when Edward leaves Bella, she goes straight for Jacob who is the secondo hottest guy in town after moping for four fricken months! I mean moping for 4 weeks is ok. But 4 months...
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11 Ways to Use Harry Potter to Annoy a Twilight Fan
Guaranteed to start a shouting match of fantastic proportions...


1. Steal their copy of Twilight and replace it with one of your Harry Potter libri in a Twilight dust jacket.

2. Tell them that Edward is a "hand-me-down" because the Twilight Film got him after the Harry Potter Film were finished with him.

3. lista other "hand-me-downs" from the books, like the last names of Black and Clearwater...

4. State that te think Edward would be hotter if he had a lightning scar on his forehead.

5. "Accidentally"...
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posted by teamsalvatore98
Hello, everyone. It's me, teamsalvatore. (Salvy)

So this club is Potter vs. Twilight, Rowling vs. Meyer, Wizards vs. Vampires. I, personally, my opinion, think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. BUT I think that there are some redundant things in Twilight. And remember, these are ust my opinions:

-Bella's weakness; She's helpless, and turning girls everywhere into weak, spineless idiots. She's making girls everywhere think they need a guy like Edward to protect them.
-Edward's obvious self-hate; He's a non-cutting emo, for crying out loud! A wannabe! We get it, Eddy, te don't like yourself....
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51. Your reason made no sense at all, I think te probably tried to say that it isnt that good

52. This is not a reason, this is just a bunch of harry potter people having dialouge

53. This person is not really saying anything except that they shouldn't be compared and the person just likes the book but she doesnt think that harry potter is better

54. They just dissed twilight and they don't think that harry potter is better

55. Ilike 5 different guys at the same time too: fred, lupin, harry, ron, arthur
anyways just b/c u lik the guys doesnt make it beter, wat do u mean fall in...
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Okay. I know what te are all thinking. Oh no not another Harry Potter vs. Twilight articolo but yes I am making one because I can. I just want my opinion to be heard. So first off let me lista the reasons why children, teens and adults can Amore Harry Potter and the good messages that Harry Potter gets across. Harry Potter first of all teaches people about the very special bond between people called friendship. Harry, Hermione and Ron are a perfect example of friendship. They are all with Harry until the very end like they promised. They risk their lives for each other and even though they fight,...
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posted by TeamSiriusBlack
    Ok, well I’m getting pretty tired of people saying that Bella and Edward’s relationship is love. It’s not. It’s just lust. Let’s look at the clues:
-She sees him and thinks he’s gorgeous.
-He likes her smell.
-He’s a vampire.
    Now, before I start Scrivere about these points, I would like to compare the relationship to that of Snape and Lily. Yes, they have never gone out but they didn’t need to. Snape met Lily when they were little. He probably thought she was pretty and developed a crush on her which bloomed into love. When Snape found...
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posted by Sophia21
Realised the points have little to do with plot, thus changed the titolo to errors.

My apologise to Twilight fan if I'm a little too harsh, but I have reread the libri like twice this mese and it was a little exasperating. Not to worry, I'm currently rereading Harry Potter, so a plothole lista on it will be added soon =)

Ok, let's get started:

1.A hundred years of...nothingness?
Explanation: I don't expect science fiction libri to be scientifically accurate. But if te plan your main character to live 100 years studying in prep forever at the age of 17, make the whole book plausible. No, just saying...
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posted by woofbark
Okay, I'm going to give reasons why each book is better in this article. Then, comment, argue/contradict my points, and start a reasonable dibattito (not a fight) on the commento board, please!
PRO TWILIGHT
I'm not a big Twilight fan, but I can try to come up with some reasons:
1.Bella's emotions are described in depth, leaving no area unexplored. We know exactly how she feels at every second, whether she is gazing at Edward o making noodles. (this could also be a drawback-you can't have a story be completely emotion and no story)
2.Love? Well, Edward and Bella are in a relationship where they...
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posted by FredWRules
-harry’s hormones went overdrive when he saw this spankin’ hot qurl from the ravenclaw quidditch team.

-being the teenage boy he is, he didn’t make a sposta until it was the yule ball and it turns out that this d00d cedric asked her out.

-then this d00d died and cho was all “bawwww cedric” but somehow she managed to get over all that because of harry’s eternal glory the strategically placed mistletoe. so they kissed.

-then they dated on valentine’s giorno in hogsmeade and cho wanted to be all “baww cedric” in front of harry. but harry, being the hormone-driven infatuated teenager he is, was all ears.

-then it ended when harry detto he was meeting hermione, because apparently cho’s the only one allowed to talk about someone else in their relationship.
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