Three steps before we go. Just to try and avoid misunderstandings, which are all too easy to happen in a written form.
Fisrtly: This article's not at any point trying to rob te off your freedom to have, keep and state your own character visualizzazioni and opinions.
Secondly: I am not a homophobic o sexaphobic. I am merely trying to figure out its role in The VC universe; how the ricean vampires' sexuality differs from human sexuality as in on what level it should be seen and how important and essential it is to the story and relationships. I am not denying their sexuality at any point and I'm not trying to say this is the accurate and full image of the sexuality's role in the entire ricean universe and its relationships. When it comes to The Vampire Chronciles, the quotations from Anne riso are the only real truth in this article, the rest is just my interpretation.
Thirdly: This is meant for anyone who's interested but especially for other newbies who are making efforts to understand o are confused anout them. Even I am still confused al along here but I'm trying.
Now, let me start from the beginning so te get a picture of how I am, where I come from and how I came to this point.
I've been a fan of Anne Rice's The Vampire Chronincles since June 2008 and I'm sure my being new to this, shows here. Back then, I had only seen the Film but I considered myself a fan as I was genuinely interested in them and I begun to study the fandom. This, was a huge mistake. I should've just taken the libri and read them. Which I didn't get to begin to do until sometime around November that year.
Until then, I was blue-eyed enough to have good faith in that people who sound so in Amore and fanatic about the libri that they'd judge a movie adaptation so passionately and extremely, would know what they're talking about and deeply respect the books' characters and relationships. Added to that innocent belief, I knew the Chronicles are supposed to have homosexuality in them on one level o another and the homosexual (slash) fan art from video to other art pretty much run over anything else in the fandom. Thus, I assumed most of the vampire relationships are homosexual o at least bi.
Then I bought the libri and downloaded e-books too and begun to read. As I read, I couldn't let go of the immagini other fan had already dato me. Eventually I stopped thinking what everyone else says and looked into it purely myself & then thought they're not gay nor innamorati - which I however had later become a bit unsure of in some relationship's cases. No, the sexuality's absence in a significant level was very clear to me. I thought the libri hint to homosexuality but do not exactly include it with the vampires. But the Amore between the vampire characters in their relationships I believed was just Amore in its purest, but that I didn't think was too clear. It can't be clear as it leaves room for possibilities. So many are so sure of their conclusions to be the only correct ones that I began to suspect if there after all is a certain way they're supposed to be seen. Well, it turns out as far as I see, there isn't - in 99% of the relationships that is.
te see, I got sick of the confusion and being laughed at for not seeing that "Lestat & Louis are innamorati and gay" and so on, o Lestat & Nicki. So I wanted to try and make it clear to myself, da e-mailing Anne Rice, asking her what is her meaning in the whole sexuality matter with her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. and my main domanda was if Lestat & Louis and Lestat & Nicki are supposed to be innamorati of any kind. And that would imply I wish to understand what is important about the relationships seeing to the story.
I'm gonna offer her reply and my take on it for anyone who's interested.
Anne Rice's reply to my e-mail + my interpretation of it.
"The reader has to form his own conclusions."
Sure we do and I respect also the fact we are always and forever free to do so and keep them no matter what she says, but I did say I am interested in her own means on this because the matter is interesting and vital to the series.
Readers should make their own conclusions but this is her image of her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. and thus the original and truest - (her words in quotation marks and in cursive and my take on them after it, so of course the cursive quotations are the her view. The rest is just my conclusion on them and it may o may not make sense.
"My vampire characters do not have sexual relations with each other o with humans."
So indeed, they're not gay nor straight in any practical level. And, even if they had sexual relations, Anne later on says repeatedly that gender and age doesn't matter to her vampires. So they couldn't be gay anyway. Rather bi o omnisexuals.
I think Anne riso Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not about sexuality on such a significant level as many seem to think they are ("drinking blood = sex to them", some say) but most significantly about Amore in it's purest and deepest exsistance - sexuality belongs to it but Amore stands on it's own as well. Which is da the way, one of the reasons why I think her vampire image is so outstanding. Usually Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are portrayed as highly sexual creatures, who bearly have a heart. Anne pretty much turned that image upside down - o made the sexuality much più finer and elegant - with incredible depth and so made the vampire infinitely più beautiful, fascinating abd luring.
What I'm trying to imply is that I think the way ricean Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not homo/hetero-sexual with each other couldn't be più clear in the Scrivere in the libri - and that taking some little detail o a first impression and usually with failing to grasp the concept of homosexuality I think is making people miss out on something. Hence, people say "Lestat is gay because he says he loves Louis", while simply feeling Amore doesn't make a man homosexual. And, "Lestat clearly states he is attracted to Marius as più than a father.", which is actually true but in the scene in domanda that statement had like a gazillion literally dato reasons that had nothing to do with a natural attraction, which leads to the fact he never felt that way for Marius since. All this person would've had to do is read the entire scene with thought and not blindly stare at the sexual terms used.
"But they are obviously attracted to and capable of falling in Amore with people of any age and any gender. They are "out of nature" once they become vampires, and they can Amore all people. Gender, age, etc., no longer matter."
I believe she is talking about Amore in it's purest and most basic exsistance, and not about Amore of any specific nature.
"Many gay readers have seen them as gay, and seen the libri as gay allegory. Others
have not seen this at all. I see them as transcending matters of gender o age. Lestat loves Louis. Louis loves Claudia. Armand loves Lestat. Lestat loves Gabrielle. There is no distinct difference in the quality of any of these loves. This has also been described as polymorphous sensuality."
As I detto I believe the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. hint to homosexuality but don't really have such relationships and if they do have something like that (Marius&Armand), it's not the human thing as they're able to explore love, including this sexual element, on a drastically different level. She does not describe Marius and Armand as "gay lover" but as a "sensualized Amore affair" as in, I believe sexuality isn't the basic element though an essential part of the love. o something. And in the end she seems to leave it all up to the reader, saying some gay people have seen them (the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. in general) as gay and some have not seen it at all. I'd regard them omnisexual indtead of gay.
Anyway... She detto just there; "There is no distinct difference in the quality of any of these loves." = Generally, her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not so simply, exactly and literally innamorati in the term's romantic meaning. They may not be "gay lovers", especially not for Lestat saying he loves / fell fatally in Amore with Louis - I see her pretty much saying it is as I reckoned, that it can, but isn't really essential to be imagined, anything absolute in nature but her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are about Amore and bond all in all. Except for...
Marius & Lestat. I pointed out that there is a distinct difference in the quality of those guys' Amore for each other seeing to their other loves and asked if there was a reason for this exception other than the fact Lestat's mortal life misery is screaming his yearning for a loving father-figure who he could put all his trust in.
She kindly replied again.
"I see the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. as deeply loving all sorts of people. Once they are made vampires, they transcend gender and sexual desire. Their loves have to do with the essence of the person."
The Queen of the Damned (2002) film really can't be compared to the libri in this Amore & sexuality matter as it doesn't respect the libri at any level in it. But just in case... As I take it, the deeply loving all sorts of people doesn't mean the vampire literally fall in Amore of any nature with just anyone and everyone they meet. They Amore humanity but to fall in Amore of some nature, to create any real essence, takes something significant. Hence, Lestat could never romantically fall in Amore with someone like the film's Jesse, which the movie itself clearly proves too, da having no chemistry and no working storyline with them. And in the libri Lestat seems to fall in Amore easily (in whatever nature) but it seems to take a deep and remarkable personality for him to do so. The film Lestat loves the film Jesse's humanity. That's all for the Amore whereas there is much più for hate and he clearly shows that part. So, let's also consider that even though the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are about Amore in it's purest and deepest exsistance - they are not brainless hippies. And the Queen of the Damned (2002) film is truly a disgrace to the books, while it is generally taken a fine film independently.
And as for transcending sexual desire and gender... I think just like the Amore without sexuality element, the sexual element become pure and free and since they're above sexuality, "out of nature", the sexuality isn't what drives them but Amore in purest is, and sex may o may not have something to do with it. Unlike in human nature, which they're out of, sex ususllay drives and Amore may o may not have something to do with it.
"It is true that the relationship between Lestat and Marius is a father and son relationship;"
YES, it is, and later I'll be reasoning why it shouldn't be and can't logically be thought of as anything else. (Apart from the mentor/student and Friends that combine to the father-son element.)
"however the relationship between Armand and Marius was a sensualized Amore affair type relationship. Gabrielle and Lestat is a mixed relationship, part mother son, part Amore affair. Louis and Lestat is a Amore hate relationship. Claudia and Louis is più a Amore affair. Lestat and Claudia a father daughter relationship.
So I would say the opening up of possibilities is what is key. The vampire state opens the characters to all different types of loves, but it is always the essence of the character that most determines the nature of the love."
She goes back into when it comes to the whole lovers/sex matter of the relationships that don't have the certain-quality label the way the Marius & Lestat does. As in, a father-son element can not be seen with a sexual touch without it becoming clearly disturbing and twisted and affecting both characters psychologically, which Marius and Lestat clearly are not. The only way they seem psychologically unusual is in the father-son way; Marius sets a boundrie, Lestat pushes it for the fun of it, Marius scolds him, which is one of the reasons why Lestat psushes the boundires because he enjoys being scolded especially da Marius, who on his behalf enjoys Lestat being a total, hopeless brat - so round and round they go. Such sweet nutties they are but completely and purely a father and son in heart, whereas the other nature of Amore they feel for each other is as friends, plus they're relationship include Marius being a teacher about being a vampire, which may be the essence of it o the father-son element but it all boils down to that sexuality and romance has no place in their love. Whereas, the essence of the following relationships she talks about, is of another nature of Amore - yet they either, have nothihng to do with sex.
"--- Armand is desperately in Amore with Lestat but it has nothing to do with sex. Armand feels Marius failed him and Marius feels Armand failed him, and that part has nothing to do with sex. Marius and Pandora, that is a Amore affair, but again sex has nothing to do with it. So they are all capable of loving people of their own gender and the other gender; gender doesn't matter. It's the essence. Lestat loves David Talbot as a lover, a friend, a mentor, a father, etc. --- It goes on like that. The act of dominating and drinking blood can happen between any two characters regardless of gender. They cannot be pinned down. They see all life as potentially beautiful and all forms of Amore as rewarding."
Regardless of Marius and Armand's relationships sexual quality in some parts, they're still in the end all about Amore to which the sexual element belongs but that sexual part doesn't make that much a difference, since it's sensualizing the Amore instead of driving it.
In other vampire relationships that she mentioned she detto the Amore in them has nothing to do with sex, which I think makes perfect sense anyway, as I don't remember them doing what Marius and Armand are doing at some point but then again I haven't read all the libri yet.
Whereas in Marius and Armand case, she mentones "that part", so she implies that in that relationship there are parts than have to do with sex and obviously there is. She didn't mention Lestat and Akasha, but I think the two fall beside Marius and Armand in this.
If te want to stop being confused, I believe te have to let go of sexuality in human human level 'cause the vampire have done so too. You're free not to, but if looked at for what they are; Forget human sexuality. Even in the very rare cases where it's in a way there, it isn't the human thing. If sexuality is part of a relationship on any relationship affective level, it's something finer than human sexuality. They don't feel sexual desire for each other.
So the blood drinking isn't a raw alternate to human sex. It is always a form of intimicity but that's all. The extacy it gives is on some level described with sexual terms but is still detto to be indescribable, something no human can know. And that extacy always happens, no matter what the reason for the blood drinking; which can be anything from drinking for survival (as in eating), to giving another vampire strength / heal them if they're weak (like Marius fed Lestat blood when Lestat was all dried up of it and couldn't much move), to giving powers (which usually increase da aging but can be dato through blood too), to turning someone into a vampire. And maybe sometimes, depending on the nature of the Amore in the relationship, they do drink blood just for the extacy. The blood drinking has a sexual type of...overtone?... but it has so many purposes and meanings for the vampire, that it is not compareable to sex.
I think da the author's means her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not compareable to human Amore and sex that simply even though naturally they can and should be compared to it to a degree, and I personally never saw simplifying it as fascinating, because they're vampires. Which was why I let go and looked into them purely myself.
And what I'm also extremely happy about is, that she has officialized that Marius and Lestat are about being a father and son - not that I ever had even the slightest doubt about it after I read the libri myself - but seeing to this love/sexuality picture for her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. - I feel it was necessary for her to say they are, which some of the fanbase seems to fail to see.
All the two explore with each other is the menror/student, father/son and being friends.
My thoughts on this in a nutshell:
1. The characters being innamorati o gay isn't essential to the story and relationships. Amore in it's purest exsistance is.
This leads me to an argument I received in the name of what Lestat & Louis are. As far as I understood it, I'm supposedly missing a huge part of their relationship and story if I'm not seeing them as innamorati even though Lestat uses a passionate tone when saying he loves Louis, as in "I fell fatally in Amore with him." I never ignored that. It's just that the way I add that up, is: Falling in Amore + passionate tone = passionate Amore - of any possible nature. Not absolutely o even primarily romantic.
And as for the essence of Lestat & Louis's relationship - I really don't see it being there clearly - and even Anne herself decided to define it only with words "love hate relationship" - their relationship probably has involved throughout the libri but that definition was her choice today, long after she had finished the serie. So I believe she still sees them più in that general level of Amore ansd hate that could be taken into many natures. Well, at least I think she wants us to look at them from that point of view and then make our conclusions. The same with Lestat and Nicki. I asked loud and clear about them as well, and she didn't say they're innamorati any più than that they're not. So it most likely isn't an essential thing to worry about.
I think if te compare them to human ways of seeing the relationship as in "if they were human like that, they'd be gay lovers" and that's why te think they're as such and that there is no other way of seeing them, te are knowingly ignoring the important and significant element that they are not human. I rather see them loving on the differing vampire level, instead of thinking how that Amore would be in human ways and see them simply that way. So, I believe that the differing matters. There's più to them than being o not being homosexual lovers.
2. This I'm saying in the name of her officialising "it's the essence of the character that matters" when it comes to the nature of the Amore - and long fa I received an argument from a Lestat&Marius slasher, saying "Lestat never says how he loves Marius, he just says he loves him." - to which I gave an argument that it doesn't matter if he didn't say the words, when looked into what he does say and do with/about Marius, it is clear it's a son's Amore for his father and the other way around. As Amore confessed in words is not the essence. They way they act and think of each other, the way they need each other, is the essence. If we really need the words, he does utter such lines as "Marius. Don't be the angry father. Save me..." (from Queen of the Damned, when he wants to get out of the relationship with Akasha.) and "Marius. te turned your back on me. It came as no surprise really. I don't despise te for it. te always were the parent, the teacher, the high priest." (from the Tale of the Body Thief, after Marius had made very clear he was not going to assist Lestat through this shit the Brat Prince had pulled.) Just to mention few examples. And Anne has actually even literally detto about Lestat & Marius; "They could never be called lovers." and really, as I said, I believe that's obvious from the books.
And now, according to Anne's words quoted earlier, it is as far as I see - most clear that Marius and Lestat seem to remain the only/one of the few vampire relationships/loves that is not left open for possibilities to see just in any way desired, but their love's nature has been defined in significant and clear level, even with Lestat's entire mortal life as a strong background for why it is and needs to be, a pure father-son love. "It is true Marius and Lestat have a father and son relationship", and she continues with the word "however" and the rest of the relationships she spoke on while also having their essence that matters the most, seem to have numerous different qualities that make them much più complicated in nature all in all, whereas Marius and Lestat's Amore natures blend in one - making it all they can logically be.
3. It is ok to vision Lestat & Louis and Lestat & Nicki as innamorati and it is just as ok to vision them not to be innamorati but something else. But it is not that valid to vision any of the ricean Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. practically gay as in homosexuals in rawest level, as it is a pure impossibility for them to be practically that, them being above sexuality and having no sexual relations with each other nor with humans. I once heard a più fitting term; "bi-romantic".
Now, as mortal human beings, they sure had sexuality in the very level but this articolo is completely and purely talking the vampires, and after turning into that there is no sexual relations, they transcend the desire and gender, and Amore gets a whole new meaning and value.
-The following is not quoting Anne Rice, but EternalMiyu on link at IMDB.com / Interview with the Vampire Discussion Board:
"Vampires become sterile and sexually unresponsive, however, so any 'pleasure' derived from this would just be from the emotional/psychological satisfaction of being slightly intimately closer to the partner during the blood-drinking process. As Talamasca2 stated, pretty much everything is about the blood once te become a vampire. If a vampire enjoys any sexual penetration, which I would assume is rather rare, it's entirely from an emotional standpoint. This tendency would be più likely in a newborn vampire and would fade rather quickly, as the fledglings are più inexperienced in the blood-drinking department."
Fisrtly: This article's not at any point trying to rob te off your freedom to have, keep and state your own character visualizzazioni and opinions.
Secondly: I am not a homophobic o sexaphobic. I am merely trying to figure out its role in The VC universe; how the ricean vampires' sexuality differs from human sexuality as in on what level it should be seen and how important and essential it is to the story and relationships. I am not denying their sexuality at any point and I'm not trying to say this is the accurate and full image of the sexuality's role in the entire ricean universe and its relationships. When it comes to The Vampire Chronciles, the quotations from Anne riso are the only real truth in this article, the rest is just my interpretation.
Thirdly: This is meant for anyone who's interested but especially for other newbies who are making efforts to understand o are confused anout them. Even I am still confused al along here but I'm trying.
Now, let me start from the beginning so te get a picture of how I am, where I come from and how I came to this point.
I've been a fan of Anne Rice's The Vampire Chronincles since June 2008 and I'm sure my being new to this, shows here. Back then, I had only seen the Film but I considered myself a fan as I was genuinely interested in them and I begun to study the fandom. This, was a huge mistake. I should've just taken the libri and read them. Which I didn't get to begin to do until sometime around November that year.
Until then, I was blue-eyed enough to have good faith in that people who sound so in Amore and fanatic about the libri that they'd judge a movie adaptation so passionately and extremely, would know what they're talking about and deeply respect the books' characters and relationships. Added to that innocent belief, I knew the Chronicles are supposed to have homosexuality in them on one level o another and the homosexual (slash) fan art from video to other art pretty much run over anything else in the fandom. Thus, I assumed most of the vampire relationships are homosexual o at least bi.
Then I bought the libri and downloaded e-books too and begun to read. As I read, I couldn't let go of the immagini other fan had already dato me. Eventually I stopped thinking what everyone else says and looked into it purely myself & then thought they're not gay nor innamorati - which I however had later become a bit unsure of in some relationship's cases. No, the sexuality's absence in a significant level was very clear to me. I thought the libri hint to homosexuality but do not exactly include it with the vampires. But the Amore between the vampire characters in their relationships I believed was just Amore in its purest, but that I didn't think was too clear. It can't be clear as it leaves room for possibilities. So many are so sure of their conclusions to be the only correct ones that I began to suspect if there after all is a certain way they're supposed to be seen. Well, it turns out as far as I see, there isn't - in 99% of the relationships that is.
te see, I got sick of the confusion and being laughed at for not seeing that "Lestat & Louis are innamorati and gay" and so on, o Lestat & Nicki. So I wanted to try and make it clear to myself, da e-mailing Anne Rice, asking her what is her meaning in the whole sexuality matter with her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. and my main domanda was if Lestat & Louis and Lestat & Nicki are supposed to be innamorati of any kind. And that would imply I wish to understand what is important about the relationships seeing to the story.
I'm gonna offer her reply and my take on it for anyone who's interested.
Anne Rice's reply to my e-mail + my interpretation of it.
"The reader has to form his own conclusions."
Sure we do and I respect also the fact we are always and forever free to do so and keep them no matter what she says, but I did say I am interested in her own means on this because the matter is interesting and vital to the series.
Readers should make their own conclusions but this is her image of her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. and thus the original and truest - (her words in quotation marks and in cursive and my take on them after it, so of course the cursive quotations are the her view. The rest is just my conclusion on them and it may o may not make sense.
"My vampire characters do not have sexual relations with each other o with humans."
So indeed, they're not gay nor straight in any practical level. And, even if they had sexual relations, Anne later on says repeatedly that gender and age doesn't matter to her vampires. So they couldn't be gay anyway. Rather bi o omnisexuals.
I think Anne riso Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not about sexuality on such a significant level as many seem to think they are ("drinking blood = sex to them", some say) but most significantly about Amore in it's purest and deepest exsistance - sexuality belongs to it but Amore stands on it's own as well. Which is da the way, one of the reasons why I think her vampire image is so outstanding. Usually Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are portrayed as highly sexual creatures, who bearly have a heart. Anne pretty much turned that image upside down - o made the sexuality much più finer and elegant - with incredible depth and so made the vampire infinitely più beautiful, fascinating abd luring.
What I'm trying to imply is that I think the way ricean Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not homo/hetero-sexual with each other couldn't be più clear in the Scrivere in the libri - and that taking some little detail o a first impression and usually with failing to grasp the concept of homosexuality I think is making people miss out on something. Hence, people say "Lestat is gay because he says he loves Louis", while simply feeling Amore doesn't make a man homosexual. And, "Lestat clearly states he is attracted to Marius as più than a father.", which is actually true but in the scene in domanda that statement had like a gazillion literally dato reasons that had nothing to do with a natural attraction, which leads to the fact he never felt that way for Marius since. All this person would've had to do is read the entire scene with thought and not blindly stare at the sexual terms used.
"But they are obviously attracted to and capable of falling in Amore with people of any age and any gender. They are "out of nature" once they become vampires, and they can Amore all people. Gender, age, etc., no longer matter."
I believe she is talking about Amore in it's purest and most basic exsistance, and not about Amore of any specific nature.
"Many gay readers have seen them as gay, and seen the libri as gay allegory. Others
have not seen this at all. I see them as transcending matters of gender o age. Lestat loves Louis. Louis loves Claudia. Armand loves Lestat. Lestat loves Gabrielle. There is no distinct difference in the quality of any of these loves. This has also been described as polymorphous sensuality."
As I detto I believe the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. hint to homosexuality but don't really have such relationships and if they do have something like that (Marius&Armand), it's not the human thing as they're able to explore love, including this sexual element, on a drastically different level. She does not describe Marius and Armand as "gay lover" but as a "sensualized Amore affair" as in, I believe sexuality isn't the basic element though an essential part of the love. o something. And in the end she seems to leave it all up to the reader, saying some gay people have seen them (the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. in general) as gay and some have not seen it at all. I'd regard them omnisexual indtead of gay.
Anyway... She detto just there; "There is no distinct difference in the quality of any of these loves." = Generally, her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not so simply, exactly and literally innamorati in the term's romantic meaning. They may not be "gay lovers", especially not for Lestat saying he loves / fell fatally in Amore with Louis - I see her pretty much saying it is as I reckoned, that it can, but isn't really essential to be imagined, anything absolute in nature but her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are about Amore and bond all in all. Except for...
Marius & Lestat. I pointed out that there is a distinct difference in the quality of those guys' Amore for each other seeing to their other loves and asked if there was a reason for this exception other than the fact Lestat's mortal life misery is screaming his yearning for a loving father-figure who he could put all his trust in.
She kindly replied again.
"I see the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. as deeply loving all sorts of people. Once they are made vampires, they transcend gender and sexual desire. Their loves have to do with the essence of the person."
The Queen of the Damned (2002) film really can't be compared to the libri in this Amore & sexuality matter as it doesn't respect the libri at any level in it. But just in case... As I take it, the deeply loving all sorts of people doesn't mean the vampire literally fall in Amore of any nature with just anyone and everyone they meet. They Amore humanity but to fall in Amore of some nature, to create any real essence, takes something significant. Hence, Lestat could never romantically fall in Amore with someone like the film's Jesse, which the movie itself clearly proves too, da having no chemistry and no working storyline with them. And in the libri Lestat seems to fall in Amore easily (in whatever nature) but it seems to take a deep and remarkable personality for him to do so. The film Lestat loves the film Jesse's humanity. That's all for the Amore whereas there is much più for hate and he clearly shows that part. So, let's also consider that even though the Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are about Amore in it's purest and deepest exsistance - they are not brainless hippies. And the Queen of the Damned (2002) film is truly a disgrace to the books, while it is generally taken a fine film independently.
And as for transcending sexual desire and gender... I think just like the Amore without sexuality element, the sexual element become pure and free and since they're above sexuality, "out of nature", the sexuality isn't what drives them but Amore in purest is, and sex may o may not have something to do with it. Unlike in human nature, which they're out of, sex ususllay drives and Amore may o may not have something to do with it.
"It is true that the relationship between Lestat and Marius is a father and son relationship;"
YES, it is, and later I'll be reasoning why it shouldn't be and can't logically be thought of as anything else. (Apart from the mentor/student and Friends that combine to the father-son element.)
"however the relationship between Armand and Marius was a sensualized Amore affair type relationship. Gabrielle and Lestat is a mixed relationship, part mother son, part Amore affair. Louis and Lestat is a Amore hate relationship. Claudia and Louis is più a Amore affair. Lestat and Claudia a father daughter relationship.
So I would say the opening up of possibilities is what is key. The vampire state opens the characters to all different types of loves, but it is always the essence of the character that most determines the nature of the love."
She goes back into when it comes to the whole lovers/sex matter of the relationships that don't have the certain-quality label the way the Marius & Lestat does. As in, a father-son element can not be seen with a sexual touch without it becoming clearly disturbing and twisted and affecting both characters psychologically, which Marius and Lestat clearly are not. The only way they seem psychologically unusual is in the father-son way; Marius sets a boundrie, Lestat pushes it for the fun of it, Marius scolds him, which is one of the reasons why Lestat psushes the boundires because he enjoys being scolded especially da Marius, who on his behalf enjoys Lestat being a total, hopeless brat - so round and round they go. Such sweet nutties they are but completely and purely a father and son in heart, whereas the other nature of Amore they feel for each other is as friends, plus they're relationship include Marius being a teacher about being a vampire, which may be the essence of it o the father-son element but it all boils down to that sexuality and romance has no place in their love. Whereas, the essence of the following relationships she talks about, is of another nature of Amore - yet they either, have nothihng to do with sex.
"--- Armand is desperately in Amore with Lestat but it has nothing to do with sex. Armand feels Marius failed him and Marius feels Armand failed him, and that part has nothing to do with sex. Marius and Pandora, that is a Amore affair, but again sex has nothing to do with it. So they are all capable of loving people of their own gender and the other gender; gender doesn't matter. It's the essence. Lestat loves David Talbot as a lover, a friend, a mentor, a father, etc. --- It goes on like that. The act of dominating and drinking blood can happen between any two characters regardless of gender. They cannot be pinned down. They see all life as potentially beautiful and all forms of Amore as rewarding."
Regardless of Marius and Armand's relationships sexual quality in some parts, they're still in the end all about Amore to which the sexual element belongs but that sexual part doesn't make that much a difference, since it's sensualizing the Amore instead of driving it.
In other vampire relationships that she mentioned she detto the Amore in them has nothing to do with sex, which I think makes perfect sense anyway, as I don't remember them doing what Marius and Armand are doing at some point but then again I haven't read all the libri yet.
Whereas in Marius and Armand case, she mentones "that part", so she implies that in that relationship there are parts than have to do with sex and obviously there is. She didn't mention Lestat and Akasha, but I think the two fall beside Marius and Armand in this.
If te want to stop being confused, I believe te have to let go of sexuality in human human level 'cause the vampire have done so too. You're free not to, but if looked at for what they are; Forget human sexuality. Even in the very rare cases where it's in a way there, it isn't the human thing. If sexuality is part of a relationship on any relationship affective level, it's something finer than human sexuality. They don't feel sexual desire for each other.
So the blood drinking isn't a raw alternate to human sex. It is always a form of intimicity but that's all. The extacy it gives is on some level described with sexual terms but is still detto to be indescribable, something no human can know. And that extacy always happens, no matter what the reason for the blood drinking; which can be anything from drinking for survival (as in eating), to giving another vampire strength / heal them if they're weak (like Marius fed Lestat blood when Lestat was all dried up of it and couldn't much move), to giving powers (which usually increase da aging but can be dato through blood too), to turning someone into a vampire. And maybe sometimes, depending on the nature of the Amore in the relationship, they do drink blood just for the extacy. The blood drinking has a sexual type of...overtone?... but it has so many purposes and meanings for the vampire, that it is not compareable to sex.
I think da the author's means her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. are not compareable to human Amore and sex that simply even though naturally they can and should be compared to it to a degree, and I personally never saw simplifying it as fascinating, because they're vampires. Which was why I let go and looked into them purely myself.
And what I'm also extremely happy about is, that she has officialized that Marius and Lestat are about being a father and son - not that I ever had even the slightest doubt about it after I read the libri myself - but seeing to this love/sexuality picture for her Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. - I feel it was necessary for her to say they are, which some of the fanbase seems to fail to see.
All the two explore with each other is the menror/student, father/son and being friends.
My thoughts on this in a nutshell:
1. The characters being innamorati o gay isn't essential to the story and relationships. Amore in it's purest exsistance is.
This leads me to an argument I received in the name of what Lestat & Louis are. As far as I understood it, I'm supposedly missing a huge part of their relationship and story if I'm not seeing them as innamorati even though Lestat uses a passionate tone when saying he loves Louis, as in "I fell fatally in Amore with him." I never ignored that. It's just that the way I add that up, is: Falling in Amore + passionate tone = passionate Amore - of any possible nature. Not absolutely o even primarily romantic.
And as for the essence of Lestat & Louis's relationship - I really don't see it being there clearly - and even Anne herself decided to define it only with words "love hate relationship" - their relationship probably has involved throughout the libri but that definition was her choice today, long after she had finished the serie. So I believe she still sees them più in that general level of Amore ansd hate that could be taken into many natures. Well, at least I think she wants us to look at them from that point of view and then make our conclusions. The same with Lestat and Nicki. I asked loud and clear about them as well, and she didn't say they're innamorati any più than that they're not. So it most likely isn't an essential thing to worry about.
I think if te compare them to human ways of seeing the relationship as in "if they were human like that, they'd be gay lovers" and that's why te think they're as such and that there is no other way of seeing them, te are knowingly ignoring the important and significant element that they are not human. I rather see them loving on the differing vampire level, instead of thinking how that Amore would be in human ways and see them simply that way. So, I believe that the differing matters. There's più to them than being o not being homosexual lovers.
2. This I'm saying in the name of her officialising "it's the essence of the character that matters" when it comes to the nature of the Amore - and long fa I received an argument from a Lestat&Marius slasher, saying "Lestat never says how he loves Marius, he just says he loves him." - to which I gave an argument that it doesn't matter if he didn't say the words, when looked into what he does say and do with/about Marius, it is clear it's a son's Amore for his father and the other way around. As Amore confessed in words is not the essence. They way they act and think of each other, the way they need each other, is the essence. If we really need the words, he does utter such lines as "Marius. Don't be the angry father. Save me..." (from Queen of the Damned, when he wants to get out of the relationship with Akasha.) and "Marius. te turned your back on me. It came as no surprise really. I don't despise te for it. te always were the parent, the teacher, the high priest." (from the Tale of the Body Thief, after Marius had made very clear he was not going to assist Lestat through this shit the Brat Prince had pulled.) Just to mention few examples. And Anne has actually even literally detto about Lestat & Marius; "They could never be called lovers." and really, as I said, I believe that's obvious from the books.
And now, according to Anne's words quoted earlier, it is as far as I see - most clear that Marius and Lestat seem to remain the only/one of the few vampire relationships/loves that is not left open for possibilities to see just in any way desired, but their love's nature has been defined in significant and clear level, even with Lestat's entire mortal life as a strong background for why it is and needs to be, a pure father-son love. "It is true Marius and Lestat have a father and son relationship", and she continues with the word "however" and the rest of the relationships she spoke on while also having their essence that matters the most, seem to have numerous different qualities that make them much più complicated in nature all in all, whereas Marius and Lestat's Amore natures blend in one - making it all they can logically be.
3. It is ok to vision Lestat & Louis and Lestat & Nicki as innamorati and it is just as ok to vision them not to be innamorati but something else. But it is not that valid to vision any of the ricean Vampiri#From Dracula to Buffy... and all creatures of the night in between. practically gay as in homosexuals in rawest level, as it is a pure impossibility for them to be practically that, them being above sexuality and having no sexual relations with each other nor with humans. I once heard a più fitting term; "bi-romantic".
Now, as mortal human beings, they sure had sexuality in the very level but this articolo is completely and purely talking the vampires, and after turning into that there is no sexual relations, they transcend the desire and gender, and Amore gets a whole new meaning and value.
-The following is not quoting Anne Rice, but EternalMiyu on link at IMDB.com / Interview with the Vampire Discussion Board:
"Vampires become sterile and sexually unresponsive, however, so any 'pleasure' derived from this would just be from the emotional/psychological satisfaction of being slightly intimately closer to the partner during the blood-drinking process. As Talamasca2 stated, pretty much everything is about the blood once te become a vampire. If a vampire enjoys any sexual penetration, which I would assume is rather rare, it's entirely from an emotional standpoint. This tendency would be più likely in a newborn vampire and would fade rather quickly, as the fledglings are più inexperienced in the blood-drinking department."
