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posted by minervadawn
I Amore Belle. I like that she's sweet, brave, willing to see the best in everyone and not afraid to say what she feels no matter what happens. She is the character that reminds me the most of myself. I like Rumple too mainly because of Robert Carlyle. Who can manage be both alluring and incredibly creepy even dressed as a sparkly imp. I've been a devoted fangirl since the Full Monty and OUAT has only encouraged that. However I can't support Rumbelle.

I know that the idea of seeing the best in someone and changing them for the better is very popolare with most girls. I'll admit I've fallen for the "bad boy" o the "charming rouge" in libri and shows on più one occasion but some Rumbelle fan refusal to see that there is anything unhealthy about the relationship is frankly disturbing.

I've had fan say to me and to others:

"Rumbelle is not stockholm syndrome. It in no way fits the parameters of SS and to say that it does shows ignorance on your part. -- te seem to be tossing around terms that you’ve heard places o heard other people use, with no bother researching what they mean."

"Belle does not have Stockholm Syndrome! I hate it when people say she has Stockholm Syndrome. It's like people don't know what stockholm syndrome is. Stockholm Syndrome is when someone feels sympathy for their captor and starts falling in Amore with them even when they abuse and torment the person. Belle doesn't fall in Amore with Rumpel until AFTER he changes for the better. And in the Disney movie, she doesn't even start falling in Amore with him until he started being nice.
She doesn't fall in Amore with him until he stops treating her like a prisoner and started treating her like a guest."


Now, before I make my argument here's the official definition of Stockholm Syndrom. I've bolded the parts that are the most relavent.

Stockholm syndrome, o capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger o risk endured da the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness. Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, o intimidates the other."

Example #1: sometimes to the point of defending them

In season 2 despite her knowing what he is capable of Belle is constantly defending Rumple and calling anyone who mentions the horrible things he has done liars. In "The Outsider" when Hook tells her about him killing Milah she flat out says "he would never do that!" despite seeing him murder and torture in the past.



Example #2: mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness

In "Skin Deep" Rumple is horrible to Belle; physical, verbally and emotionally abusing her. As the story goes on he less horrible. He is not kind he simply stops being quite so mean. He dosent hit her when she drops the cup, he lets her go to the market instead of locking her up in the castle. In "Lacey" he doesn't kill her when she lets Robin go. Notice these are all bad things that he didn't do that are often passed off as acts of kindness da the fandom.



Example #3: strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, o intimidates the other.

In the beginning of "Skin Deep" Rumple is abusive, very few people will deny that but even though he does improve slightly she begins to develop feeling for him while he is still holding her captive and mostrare abusive tendencies. "Lacey" only confirms this. Then when she kisses him he flys into a rage and goes right back to his earlier abusive self.



The recurring Rumbelle themes "you see the good in me" and "you made me a better man" are catchphrases used da abusers since the beginning of time. Why? because of this romantic fairytale idea that "true Amore can turn a bad person good". Abusers use that idea to keep people with them even when that person knows they should leave. It's a lovely idea in fiction but in reality situations like this rarely have happy endings.

I now what your all saying now. "It's just a story. why are te making such a big deal out of this?" Yes it's just a story and I have no problem with those fan that enjoy this fictional relationship for what in is, a complex Amore story, but also recognize how potentially unhealthy and dangerous it is. It is the people like those quoted above who are oblivious to its abusive nature that worry me. Tying to pass these tendencies off as romantic could encourage those in harmful relationships to ignore the signs in hopes of "changing them for the better" as Belle did.

till-therewas-you summed it up perfectly in another articolo so let me end with her words.

"Look, I get it. The idea that te can find a soft spot in every guy, and change him is a fantasy that most girls have. -- But holding the idea that te can change a man will just lead to disappointment. Don’t get me wrong, it happens. But it’s the exception, not the rule. The exception. Us women should just look for decent guys that aren’t perfect, but will treat us and other people right."
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This is a glossary of sorts to my articolo "Is Killing Ever Justified?". Please read it first link.

OUAT Legal Dictionary

"There are actually 4 kinds of homicide: Felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy. It makes little difference to the victim which sort they die of; the classification is mostly for the benefit of lawyers."

By US definition:

homicide n. the killing of a human being due to the act o omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent. Non-criminal homicides...
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posted by zylice
It is all Coras fault! As te all said, snow was just an innocent little girl that wanted Regina to be happy but got manipulated da that WITCH!!!

Regina should blame Cora! NOT Snow! As Lana detto Regina was thinking: " te little, selfish BRAT! te just wanted me to be your stepmother! te don't care about ME being happy!" Thats what Lana detto Regina was thinking at the time when she was getting dressed for the wedding. But we don't know why Regina went 'Extreme Power-Mad' yet....she went WAY extreme to rid Snow! But...she didn't know any different....

Someday in season 2/3 I want to see Regina confront Cora and apologise to
Snow somehow and get 'redeemed.'
Mary-Margaret is VERY angry with Regina and tells her to leave Storybrooke forever because it'll be better for everyone (especially Henry.)

Regina actually 'accepts' this because she loves Henry and leaves....

Later a house fuoco is lit at 'Reginas House' and Henry is very sad because he left his 'book' in there. Mary-Margaret tells Emma and Henry that Regina 'died' in the fire. Henry is extremely sad and cries to Emma.

Emma must investigate the fuoco ( its her job as sheriff) to see how o WHO started it! She finds fingerprints on the singed door handle. Those fingerprints belonged to Mr.Gold.........
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